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究極の選択 あなたの理想とするオーダーを考えてみませんか?

まず1番から5番までは各タイプA~Dの中から一つずつお選びください
選びましたら左右どちらかの打者を指定願います
★別段触れていない能力については並みレベルとお考えください
 尚、今回は守備能力に関しては全く考慮していません
      
1番打者
A 積極的にスイングする中距離砲
  率300 20本 20盗 四球40 三振100
B 慎重にボールを選ぶ中距離砲
率300 10本 10盗 四球80 三振50
C 積極的にスイングするスピードスター
  率300 0本 60盗 四球40 三振100
D 慎重にボールを選ぶヒットメーカー
  率300 0本 30盗 四球60 三振30
  
2番打者
A 積極的にスイングする中距離砲
  率300 20本 20盗 四球40 三振100
B 慎重にボールを選ぶ中距離砲
率300 10本 10盗 四球80 三振50
C 積極的にスイングするスピードスター
  率300 0本 60盗 四球40 三振100
D 状況判断力が高くチームプレーに長けてる巧打者
  率280 5本 20盗 四球60 三振40
3番打者
A 積極的にスイングする中距離砲
  率320 20本 80打点 四球40 三振100
B 慎重にボールを選ぶ中距離砲
  率320 10本 60打点 四球80 三振60
C 積極的にスイングする鈍足な長距離砲
  率280 40本 120打点 四球40 三振120
D 慎重にボールを選ぶ鈍足な長距離砲
  率300 30本 90打点 四球80 三振80
4番打者
A 積極的にスイングする中距離砲
  率320 20本 80打点 四球40 三振100
B 慎重にボールを選ぶ中距離砲
  率320 10本 60打点 四球80 三振60
C 積極的にスイングする鈍足な長距離砲
  率280 40本 120打点 四球40 三振120
D 慎重にボールを選ぶ鈍足な長距離砲
  率300 30本 90打点 四球80 三振80
5番打者
A 積極的にスイングする中距離砲
  率320 20本 80打点 四球40 三振100
B 慎重にボールを選ぶ中距離砲
  率320 10本 60打点 四球80 三振60
C 積極的にスイングする鈍足な長距離砲
  率280 40本 120打点 四球40 三振120
D 慎重にボールを選ぶ鈍足な長距離砲
  率300 30本 90打点 四球80 三振80
残りの6~9番は以下のタイプから選んでください(複数選択可)
但しセリーグチームの理想オーダーの場合は
必ず一人ピッチャーとして入れてください
A 積極的にスイングするが課題の残る中距離砲
  率270 15本 60打点 四球30 三振100
B 慎重にボールを選ぶが課題の残る中距離砲
  率270 10本 40打点 四球60 三振60
C 積極的にスイングする課題の残る鈍足な長距離砲
  率260 25本 70打点 四球40 三振120
D 慎重にボールを選ぶが課題の残る鈍足な長距離砲
  率250 20本 60打点 四球60 三振80
E 積極的にスイングするが課題の残るスピードスター
  率260 0本 30盗塁 四球20 三振100
F 慎重にボールを見極めるが課題の残るヒットメーカー
  率260 0本 15盗塁 四球40 三振60
以上です
とても解りづらいと思いますが
一例として私が作ってみましたので参考にしてください
私の理想オーダー
セリーグ
1 左A 積極中距離
2 右D チームプレー
3 左A 積極中距離
4 右D 慎重長距離
5 左C 積極長距離
6 右B 慎重中距離
7 左B 慎重中距離
8 右A 積極中距離
9 ピッチャー
パリーグ
1 右A 積極中距離
2 左C 積極スピード
3 左A 積極中距離
4 右C 慎重長距離
5 左D 積極長距離
6 右A 積極中距離
7 右A 積極中距離
8 左E 積極スピード
9 右F 慎重ヒット
やはりセリーグとパリーグでは打線の構成が
根本から変わるような気がします
皆さんはどのような考えをお持ちでしょうか?
幅広い御意見をお待ちしております

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  273. 管理人 より:

    ヤマモリさん コメント有り難うございます
    記事とは主旨が違うコメントだったようですが
    巨人のベストオーダーについてのお話しですね
    手厳しいご意見ですね
    井端の能力については同意ですが
    問題はどの程度やれる状態か?だと思います
    まずはキャンプに注視ですね
    今後とも宜しくお願いいたします

  274. ヤマモリ より:

    2014年、今年のジャイアンツにとってカギを握る打順は2番しかないだろう。もう何年も2番で苦労した経験を活かすべきである。結論からいってしまえば2番井端しかないだろう。メンバーのなかで唯一他球団からみて嫌らしいバッターは井端しかいない、他は坂本くらい。坂本は下位におくとガクッとメンタルが落ちてしまい使い物にならない。あとは皆生真面目なエリートバッターである。
    1.長野(中井、橋本)
    2.井端
    3.坂本
    4.慎之助
    5.村田
    6.由伸
    7.ロペス
    8.橋本(中井)
    9.投手

  275. G党の学生 より:

    コメント失礼します
    セリーグ
    1左A
    2右D
    3右B
    4左C
    5右A
    6左A
    7右C
    8左D
    9投手
    パリーグ
    1右C
    2左C
    3左B
    4右C
    5右A
    6右C
    7左A
    8右E
    9右F
    といった感じです。たしかにせパで組むのが少し変わりました。セリーグの1番は高橋由、2番はしぶとくカットが得意な井端をイメージしました。長距離砲は一人にしてつないでいく打線がセリーグのイメージです。しかし足を絡めた攻撃より右打ちなどチームバッティングを意識しています。
    パリーグは1番出塁、2番打者の初球で盗塁、バントで1死3塁ができるようにイメージしました。3番が慎重派なのは1,2番のイケイケムードにさらに相手投手に球数を投げさせてプレッシャーを与えるためです。6番が長距離打者なのはここぞというときに一発大きいのが打てる選手をおいときたかったからです。また、8,9番でチャンスをつくり1番で返せるのがパリーグ打線の強みです。面白い内容のブログで興味がそそられました。

  276. 管理人 より:

    G党の学生さん コメント有り難うございます
    ハッキリ意図が見えるオーダーですね
    興味深く拝見させて頂きました
    僭越ですがこのオーダーでしたら個人的にはセ、パ共に
    三番が鍵を握りそうな打順だと思いました
    文章下手なblogですが今後とも宜しくお願い致します

  277. 管理人 より:

    catさん コメント有難うございます
    catさんの好みのオーダー楽しく拝見させて頂きました
    私も二番目の方が好みですね
    9番までのオーダーの中で二つの形を作る
    ぶっちゃけるとHR打者を並べるだけでは
    毎試合似たような得点シーンしか見ないのでつまらないと感じます
    勝ち負けは別にしてスリリングな得点シーンが増えると
    チームへの思い入れがより強くなると思います
    てっちゃんにはもう少しの打力、橋本には粘り強さ
    彼らこそスリリングな野球をGにもたらしてくれると思うので
    何とかレベルアップして欲しいですね
    また素晴らしいコメントお待ちしております

  278. cat より:

    追加です。こっちのが好みかも
    1 A 勇人 より攻撃的
    2 D スーパーサブメンバー 役割変わらず
    3 A 長野 同じく変わらず
    4 C 主軸 同じく変わらず
    5 A 中井 より本塁打狙い
    6 E 到  1番と同じ役割
    7 F スーパーサブ 6番進ませる
    8 C 大田 (足は遅くないけど)大きいの狙える人
    1~5までと6~8までで二つの山を作る感じ。オーダーが2個ある感じです。下位というよりもう一個上位がある感じです。
     

  279. cat より:

    こんにちは。理想オーダーというより希望メンバー当てはめになっちゃうんですが
    1 C イメージ到or片岡さん 足が早く長打も狙える ヒット率高い
    2 D 寺orまっちゃんor井端さん 1番を送るバントは絶対 粘って粘って相手に嫌がられる 1番の盗塁の手助けも
    3 A 勇人 大きいの狙って1番を返す ここまでは俊足希望
    4 C 慎之助or村田or大田 ホームランでもいい 大きいの
    5 A 長野 出来たら4番返すくらいの大きいのも狙える
    6 Aかな 中井 でも正直5番と同じ役割 5番返せたら
    7 Aかな ロペス 変わらず(5番)6番を返せたら
    8 F 亀or片岡さん 出塁とにかく
    9 投手 バントで確実ランナー送る 
    再び1番のヒットでランナーをかえすことから始まり。
    こう考えると 7はE 8はFでもいいかな 
    4~6は重量打線 1~3は俊足選手 長野は足が早いから勿体ないな どうバランスとればいいか難しいですね
    自分が好きなのは足でかき回すタイプです。ホームラン攻勢とかそんな好きじゃないんですよね。何で足早い選手メインになります 

  280. 管理人 より:

    NFLファンさん コメント有り難うございます
    セイバーメトリクスの観点では仰ることは確かに正論ですので
    その事については全く異論はありません
    今回の目安となる成績は現実的に
    イメージしやすい数字を設定しました
    ですので異論があるのは承知しております
    私のセイバーメトリクスについての考え方は
    参考にすべき有意義な材料ではあるが
    それが必ずしも正解ではないというのが
    私のセイバーメトリクスについての評価ですので御理解下さい
    ご指摘有り難うございました
    今後とも宜しくお願い致します

  281. 管理人 より:

    ほさん コメント有り難うございます
    各選択肢の総合力にセイバーメトリクスの観点で
    差があるのは承知していました
    今回は現実的に可能な数字をベースに
    今プレーしている選手をイメージして考えて設定いたしました
    結果御不満な設定になったことを御理解頂ければ幸いです
    下手なblogですが今後とも宜しくお願い致します

  282. 管理人 より:

    bontenさん コメント有り難うございます
    僭越ながらbontenさんのオーダーはバランス重視ですね
    個人的には色々なバリエーションの得点シーンを見たいので
    私と考え方が近いように感じます
    贔屓チームが自分の理想に近い打線を組んでくれたら
    毎試合ウキウキ状態でしょうね 笑
    下手なblogですが今後とも宜しくお願い致します

  283. 管理人 より:

    kakontyuさん コメント有り難うございます
    kakontyuさんは間違いなくホークスファンですね 笑
    実名選手を出されていたのでイメージ可能で大変面白いです
    また二番のDタイプのモデルは井端です。。 笑
    松中、城島、小久保、井口、川崎らの全盛時と今の松田、長谷川
    内川らが時期的に噛み合って融合していたら
    それこそ理想的な打線に限りなく近づいたんでしょうね
    下手なblogですが今後とも宜しくお願い致します

  284. 管理人 より:

    Mr.NYさん コメント有り難うございます
    僭越ながらMr.NYさんのオーダーの意図を読むと
    私のオーダーとは違いますが非常に野球感が近いと感じました
    下手なblogですが今後とも宜しくお願い致します

  285. 管理人 より:

    ちゃみするさん コメント有り難うございます
    打線上位は出塁優先で下位はイケイケの打線のようですね
    スピード感は無い打線ですがピッチャーへの重圧は
    他の部分で十分感じる打線だと思います
    下手なblogですが今後とも宜しくお願い致します

  286. 管理人 より:

    桐野さん コメント有り難うございます
    非常に意図を感じる打線と拝察します
    特に3番にこのタイプを入れるのは面白いですね
    下手なblogですが今後とも宜しくお願い致します

  287. NFLファン より:

    全ての例において 年間本塁打多く打っている選手がスタメンです。
    理由はXR指標に直すとあまりにも差がありすぎるから
    管理人は三振がものすごく悪と思われているようですが、1三振マイナス0.03ポイントしか1凡打より害はなく 所詮1アウトは1アウトです。
    同じく盗塁に対する評価も高すぎますね。 もう少し悩みそうなタイプを比較対象にしてください。
    ひとつ気になったのはセとパで一体どう違うのでしょうか?得点多く獲るための打線に全く違いなんか有りませんよ

  288. より:

    それぞれの選択肢が同じ総合力には見えませんが、個人的なタイプの好みとしては
    1左A
    2右B
    3左A
    4右D
    5左D
    6右C
    7左B
    8右F ですね。
    チームの得点力ということだけで考えれば3番~8番はC一択じゃないですか?三振や足の速さがどうだろうと打点が高い選手を集めればチーム得点は上がるんですから。

  289. bonten より:

    コメント失礼きます!
    大変面白い企画だと思います!!楽しませていただきました。
    自分の理想のオーダーはまず自分の贔屓のチームがいるパリーグから。
    1左B
    2右D
    3左A
    4右C
    5右D
    6左A
    7右C
    8右B
    9左E
    セリーグが
    1右B
    2左D
    3右A
    4右C
    5右D
    6左B
    7右A
    8左B
    ピッチャー
    こんな感じですね!
    個人的なこだわりはとりあえず4番と5番はパワーバッターということですね!その関係から3番と6番はユーティリティーの巧打者がいいですね!
    そのあとパリーグなら7番にもう一人パワーバッターを持ってくるのですが、セリーグだとそうはいかずここにも中距離バッターを持ってきました。
    やはりセリーグとパリーグだと違いますね(笑)
    自分の贔屓のチームが自分が理想の打線に近づいてくれると良いのですが…どうでしょう?(笑)
    長文失礼しました。

  290. kakontyu より:

    失礼します。
    おもしろいですね。
    私はパ・リーグならば、
    1番左D、2番右D、3番左A、4番右C、5番左Dです。
    下位は、
    6番右C、7番右A、8番左F、9番左E
    といった感じです。
    1番は2010年の川崎宗則をイメージしました。
    2番は井端をモデルに。
    1番が出たら犠打や進塁打を打てるし、1番が出なくてもある程度計算できるので選びました。
    3番は内川選手がモデルです。
    4番は全盛期松中信彦を。
    打率は3割なくとも打点が最も多かった(これが4番の仕事だと思います)ので選びました。
    5番は城島選手をイメージ。
    30発打てる破壊力、打率3割、四球も選べて確実性や下位に繋げることもできるので選びました。
    6番は2007年の小久保、7番は2008年の松田をイメージしながら入れました。
    8番はとにかく9番に繋げるためにできるだけ俊足で四球もある程度選べる打者を。
    2010年の長谷川勇也といった具合です。
    9番は1、2番と共にスーパーカートリオを結成できるほどの脚力が欲しかったので決めました。
    2010年以前の本多雄一をイメージしました。
    どう、でしょうか?
    あまり自信はありませんが…。
    まぁ、ご愛嬌程度にご覧になってください。
    失礼しました。

  291. Mr.NY より:

    セは
    B左慎重中距離
    D右チームプレー
    B左慎重中距離
    D左慎重長距離
    D右慎重長距離
    B左慎重中距離
    C右積極長距離
    C左積極長距離
    P
    パは
    D左慎重単打
    D左チームプレー
    A右積極中距離
    C右積極長距離
    A左積極中距離
    B右慎重中距離
    A左積極中距離
    C右積極長距離
    E右積極スピード
    セは繋がりを意識しつつ、4・7で得点を稼ぐように組みました。
    4・7で勝負してもらえるように5・8に嫌な選手(結果的に同じですが)を置きました。
    特に8番は後ろが投手なので、塁が出来るだけ残らないように、三振は多いが打点も多い選手にしました。
    1〜6までが殆ど慎重で、出塁率も高めなので、球数も投げさせられますし、DH制もないので、相手の先発投手は早めの回に変わってくれるんじゃないでしょうかね?
    続いてパですが、9人全員が野手で組めるということで、イケイケな感じをテーマに組んでみました。
    特に9・1・2の盗塁が期待できるトリオが個人的に好きですね。
    いくらイケイケがテーマでも全部が全部積極では淡白なだけなので、1番はしっかり1番の仕事をしてもらい、6番は上位と下位の繋ぎ役といった形でワンクッション置くようにしました。
    左右はどこで盗塁させたいかとか、ゲッツーとかを考えた後、余ったところは前後を考えて決めました。

  292. ちゃみする より:

    1 b
    2 b
    3 d
    4 d
    5 d
    6 c
    7 c
    8 c
    9 c
    1.2番は出塁率で設定しました。打率一緒で四球が80ということは他の打者より20〜40回も多く出塁してるので選びました。ホームランも盗塁も期待出来ますし投手も気が抜けない1.2番だと思います。
    3番は3割30本打てて四球も80個も選べるのは凄すぎます。4番にも繋げらるし、自らランナーを返すことができるバッターですね。
    4番5番も3番と同様、3割30本打てて四球もダントツなのが理由です。
    3割30本が3人並ぶクリーンナップなんて聞いたことありますか?笑
    以降の6〜9番は打率.250も.270もあんまり変わらないんじゃないか?と思い25本カルテット結成しました!
    3〜9番まで25本ホームラン打てる打線は投手からすれば怖くてしょうがないと思いました。1.2番は出塁率.350は超えてるでしょうし、凄い打線だと思います(笑)
    ちなみにパ・リーグのチームです!

  293. 桐野 より:

    一番はBです。訂正

  294. 桐野 より:

    1番C
    2番右ならD、左なら右に強いゴロを打てる条件付でC
    3番C
    4番D
    5番D
    6番B
    7番C
    8番C
    9番E(DH制なら)